heres the response from respected mirror columnist Paul Routledge to liz hurleys husband who paid a domestic he brought from india and paid her the equivilant of £1.20 an hour and she had to work over a period of seven days a week without a day off.
We have for a long time claimed that the metropole exploit the mass european migratory worker market at the expense of the local unemployed.
of course there may be other issues as to why the metropole dont employ locals!
perhaps the way they treat their staff and baird-murray will probably state that he is only maximising the oppertunity that european federalism has presented to him.
and yet Llandrindod has the highest unemployment in powys!and associated social problems such as anti social behaviour and drink related troubles.
WAGE SLAVERY FIGHT
Paul Routlegde On Why Britain Needs Fair Pay
Violet D'Souza is not alone in her plight. She is just the tip of an iceberg of exploitation in Britain today.
Despite the introduction of the National Minimum Wage, Scrooge employers still seek to get round the law and pay starvation wages to migrant labour.
And in many cases they get away with it, through fear, ignorance and bullying. The scandal only comes to light when brave people take action. Many unhappy migrants are brought into the UK by unlicensed agencies that scour the world for cheap workers, who are sometimes kept in conditions of virtual slavery. It is anybody's guess how many there are. Tony Woodley, general secretary of Unite, says: "This situation is about exploitation, not migration. Greedy bosses will take advantage of vulnerable workers if they are allowed to do so."
What we do know is that in Britain today, 1.4 million men and women don't have full employment rights because they work for agencies.
On Friday, MPs will vote on a Labour member's Bill demanding the Government signs up to a European directive giving all workers the same rights whether they are part or full time.
This proposed law would not end the scandal of immigrant workers being exploited. But it will make it harder for the corrupt traders in workpeople to make profits. That's why every Labour MP should be on parade to vote against the 21st century version of slavery.
Thursday, 21 February 2008
Friday, 15 February 2008
perhaps the real reason for the drinking ban.
this is the article in the county times regarding the town counils new home.
Strangely enough it is on site of the proposed drinking ban....!
cant have three alcoholics despite them being locals interupting the important business of ensuring tourist pennies stay in a few select pockets after all there is only 400 unemployed in the llandrindod travel to work area!
the only blessing is they didnt burden the community tax payers with a mortgage.
And yet Harold Nichols was prepared to buy the place for the town himself.
pity we didnt have some councillors like builth have got.
Council eyes development of rooms at its new premises
"We're very happy to be here," Cllr Derek Law, Llandrindod Mayor
LLANDRINDOD Wells Town Council are eyeing a development opportunity in their new premises and have said they are "very happy to be here".
The council has moved into its new home in the old town hall, where it will hold its monthly meetings.
The Mayor, Derek Law is now hoping to develop one room into an office for council purposes.
The two rooms in the old town hall, previously occupied by the Tourist Information Centre, will also be made available to local charitable organisations.
The council agreed to enter into a lease agreement with the new owner to take over two rooms and a storeroom located at the side of the building.
Cllr Law said: "We have in mind an office and one room will also be made available to other local organisations, especially charities."
He admitted the town council had harboured the idea of buying the building themselves after Powys County Council put it up for sale.
"We considered it and weighed it up against all other options but we would have had to take out rather a large mortgage."
Cllr Law hailed the benefit of having an office at the town council's disposal.
"We're very happy to be here," he said.
"Despite this we remain disappointed that the old Radnorshire chamber in the Gwalia is being changed."
At the January meeting of the town council members were told the new premises were in need of a bit of decoration
Strangely enough it is on site of the proposed drinking ban....!
cant have three alcoholics despite them being locals interupting the important business of ensuring tourist pennies stay in a few select pockets after all there is only 400 unemployed in the llandrindod travel to work area!
the only blessing is they didnt burden the community tax payers with a mortgage.
And yet Harold Nichols was prepared to buy the place for the town himself.
pity we didnt have some councillors like builth have got.
Council eyes development of rooms at its new premises
"We're very happy to be here," Cllr Derek Law, Llandrindod Mayor
LLANDRINDOD Wells Town Council are eyeing a development opportunity in their new premises and have said they are "very happy to be here".
The council has moved into its new home in the old town hall, where it will hold its monthly meetings.
The Mayor, Derek Law is now hoping to develop one room into an office for council purposes.
The two rooms in the old town hall, previously occupied by the Tourist Information Centre, will also be made available to local charitable organisations.
The council agreed to enter into a lease agreement with the new owner to take over two rooms and a storeroom located at the side of the building.
Cllr Law said: "We have in mind an office and one room will also be made available to other local organisations, especially charities."
He admitted the town council had harboured the idea of buying the building themselves after Powys County Council put it up for sale.
"We considered it and weighed it up against all other options but we would have had to take out rather a large mortgage."
Cllr Law hailed the benefit of having an office at the town council's disposal.
"We're very happy to be here," he said.
"Despite this we remain disappointed that the old Radnorshire chamber in the Gwalia is being changed."
At the January meeting of the town council members were told the new premises were in need of a bit of decoration
Tuesday, 12 February 2008
So what do you now think of 'society prepares the crime'
Heres the item from the mirror[12-02-2008].they seem to have caught on to the fact that the supply of alcohol could be the problem.So would llandods town council endorse this if a link between shopkeepers selling booze and anti social behaviour could be proven.
Would they be prepared to support a ban on shops or guilty parties being 'brought to justice' £20,000 is an awful lot of money.
Would Mr Baird -Murray at the metropole have to ensure that his staff are more vigilant to whom they serve drinks to,justin will tell you that wet sales are his most profitable.
Of course when enjoyed responsibly then alcohol is not a problem.
Daily Mirror campaign: Stop kids drinking
Can it!
12/02/2008
Teenage drinking (Pic:Getty Images)
Related Articles
More Top Stories
What are you talking about? Get published
News picturesIt was a terrifying picture of modern Britain.
Yesterday a Mirror investigation revealed kids as young as 14 bragging how they regularly binge-drink, leading to violence, unprotected sex and trips to casualty. Our revelations came on the day the teenage killers of Warrington dad Garry Newlove were sentenced to life in prison for kicking him to death on a drunken rampage.
Here those concerned about under-aged drinking address the problem while the Mirror launches Can It, a campaign to stop under-18s being sold or served alcohol - and to help prevent more tragedies like the senseless murder of Garry Newlove. Our demands are:
1 Shopkeepers and landlords who sell alcohol to under-18s to face a maximum fine of £20,000 (double the current £10k) and to AUTOMATICALLY lose their licence to sell drinks for six months (double the current three months)
Advertisement
2 Police under obligation to confiscate booze and caution under-18s found drinking in the street or licensed premises
3 Courts to properly enforce the current law imposing a £5,000 fine on adults who knowingly agree to buy alcohol in shops, off licences or pubs on behalf of under-18s
DAVID POLEY
Chief Executive of the Portman Group, which represents drinks firms
Anyone who looks under 21 should have to prove their age, and rogue retailers must face tougher punishments. Enforcement of the law is far more desirable than putting up prices which would affect everyone.
Drinks producers must continue to advertise responsibly and only to adults.
Education can change the culture just as it did with drinkdriving.
SRABANI SEN
Chief Executive of Alcohol Concern
Alcohol education should be a compulsory part of the curriculum and teachers should be properly trained to deliver it. Parents also need to understand how their own drinking and attitudes to alcohol influence their children.
But none of these measures will work fully until we tackle the fact that it is still too easy and cheap for young people to get hold of alcohol. Our research has also shown that children are overexposed to alcohol ads.
JAMES LOWMAN
Chief Executive of the Association of Convenience Stores
Retailers have to prevent under-18s from buying alcohol. They must always check for ID.
If you're caught selling alcohol to anyone under age you face a fine, a 48-hour closure or even losing your licence.
But young people who try to buy alcohol are breaking the law too. They are getting more fearless and retailers can feel intimidated. It is crucial that police work together with shop owners to solve this problem.
ROSS SCARBOROUGH
17-year-old former binge drinker from Nottingham
If I hadn't turned my life round, I'd be an alcoholic by now.
After leaving school I stopped doing things like playing sport. All that mattered was hanging out with my mates and drinking.
It's so cheap I have got off my face on a £2 bottle of cider. But raising prices wouldn't make any difference, it would only be 10p here or there.
The way to keep young people off drink is to provide them with facilities, especially sport, to take their mind off getting drunk.
DR PATRICIA SPUNGIN
Parenting expert and founder of raisingkids.co.uk
There's an unhealthy attitude to alcohol here: people drink to get drunk, which in turn is passed on to our teenagers.
Parents should set a good example by drinking in moderation themselves, and keep an eye out for the warning signs.
Alcopop makers must also take much of the responsibility - generally nobody took a first sip of beer or wine and liked it, it's an acquired taste. Alcopops made alcohol palatable to kids.
ANNETTE FLEMING
Director of Aquarius, a counselling service for young people with alcohol problems
A lot more has to be done to prevent the sale of alcohol to under-18s. There needs to be a lot more support for staff who work in off-licences to enable them to refuse sales, and to ask for proof of ID.
The marking of bottles so they can be traced back to the seller should also be more widespread. Then sellers will be able to see the consequences of what they are doing.
JOHN GROGAN
Labour MP for Selby, Chair of the all-party Parliamentary beer group
Supermarkets in particular should make a promise not to sell alcohol below cost price. Over Christmas you could get 60 bottles of lager for £20. It's cheaper than water, so it's not surprising it appeals to teenagers.
Somehow we have to get the message across to young people that it's not a clever or smart thing to lose control of what you're doing.
DR CLARE GERADA
Vice-chair of the Royal College of General Practitioners
Lead by example. There's no point telling your teenager not to binge-drink if you're having a bottle of wine every night.
Alcohol should also be less available and alcopops should be banned. Any alcohol which is directly marketed at children is unacceptable.
I see lots of 16-and 17-year-olds who are drinking very, very heavily. If parents think that their teenager is drinking too much then they should contact their GP.
JAN BERRY
Chair of the Police Federation
It is up to all of us to deal with the problem of teenage drinking. There is no simple solution.
Police used to hope for rain on a Friday or Saturday to keep people indoors, but now there's drinking every night of the week. Now kids are drinking to excess before they even leave their house
Parents need to set a good example as if they're drunk the kids will think they can be too.
Christine Sharples whose husband Ron was killed by a gang of teenagers
There should be more police on the streets. In Marske-by-the-Sea near Middlesbrough, you never see police. My husband would still be alive if there were police on our streets. The yobs who killed Ron thought they could get away with anything.
It's outrageous these children can buy alcohol. The age should be raised to 25 and there should be tougher penalties for people who sell alcohol to kids. That way the streets would be safer.
Would they be prepared to support a ban on shops or guilty parties being 'brought to justice' £20,000 is an awful lot of money.
Would Mr Baird -Murray at the metropole have to ensure that his staff are more vigilant to whom they serve drinks to,justin will tell you that wet sales are his most profitable.
Of course when enjoyed responsibly then alcohol is not a problem.
Daily Mirror campaign: Stop kids drinking
Can it!
12/02/2008
Teenage drinking (Pic:Getty Images)
Related Articles
More Top Stories
What are you talking about? Get published
News picturesIt was a terrifying picture of modern Britain.
Yesterday a Mirror investigation revealed kids as young as 14 bragging how they regularly binge-drink, leading to violence, unprotected sex and trips to casualty. Our revelations came on the day the teenage killers of Warrington dad Garry Newlove were sentenced to life in prison for kicking him to death on a drunken rampage.
Here those concerned about under-aged drinking address the problem while the Mirror launches Can It, a campaign to stop under-18s being sold or served alcohol - and to help prevent more tragedies like the senseless murder of Garry Newlove. Our demands are:
1 Shopkeepers and landlords who sell alcohol to under-18s to face a maximum fine of £20,000 (double the current £10k) and to AUTOMATICALLY lose their licence to sell drinks for six months (double the current three months)
Advertisement
2 Police under obligation to confiscate booze and caution under-18s found drinking in the street or licensed premises
3 Courts to properly enforce the current law imposing a £5,000 fine on adults who knowingly agree to buy alcohol in shops, off licences or pubs on behalf of under-18s
DAVID POLEY
Chief Executive of the Portman Group, which represents drinks firms
Anyone who looks under 21 should have to prove their age, and rogue retailers must face tougher punishments. Enforcement of the law is far more desirable than putting up prices which would affect everyone.
Drinks producers must continue to advertise responsibly and only to adults.
Education can change the culture just as it did with drinkdriving.
SRABANI SEN
Chief Executive of Alcohol Concern
Alcohol education should be a compulsory part of the curriculum and teachers should be properly trained to deliver it. Parents also need to understand how their own drinking and attitudes to alcohol influence their children.
But none of these measures will work fully until we tackle the fact that it is still too easy and cheap for young people to get hold of alcohol. Our research has also shown that children are overexposed to alcohol ads.
JAMES LOWMAN
Chief Executive of the Association of Convenience Stores
Retailers have to prevent under-18s from buying alcohol. They must always check for ID.
If you're caught selling alcohol to anyone under age you face a fine, a 48-hour closure or even losing your licence.
But young people who try to buy alcohol are breaking the law too. They are getting more fearless and retailers can feel intimidated. It is crucial that police work together with shop owners to solve this problem.
ROSS SCARBOROUGH
17-year-old former binge drinker from Nottingham
If I hadn't turned my life round, I'd be an alcoholic by now.
After leaving school I stopped doing things like playing sport. All that mattered was hanging out with my mates and drinking.
It's so cheap I have got off my face on a £2 bottle of cider. But raising prices wouldn't make any difference, it would only be 10p here or there.
The way to keep young people off drink is to provide them with facilities, especially sport, to take their mind off getting drunk.
DR PATRICIA SPUNGIN
Parenting expert and founder of raisingkids.co.uk
There's an unhealthy attitude to alcohol here: people drink to get drunk, which in turn is passed on to our teenagers.
Parents should set a good example by drinking in moderation themselves, and keep an eye out for the warning signs.
Alcopop makers must also take much of the responsibility - generally nobody took a first sip of beer or wine and liked it, it's an acquired taste. Alcopops made alcohol palatable to kids.
ANNETTE FLEMING
Director of Aquarius, a counselling service for young people with alcohol problems
A lot more has to be done to prevent the sale of alcohol to under-18s. There needs to be a lot more support for staff who work in off-licences to enable them to refuse sales, and to ask for proof of ID.
The marking of bottles so they can be traced back to the seller should also be more widespread. Then sellers will be able to see the consequences of what they are doing.
JOHN GROGAN
Labour MP for Selby, Chair of the all-party Parliamentary beer group
Supermarkets in particular should make a promise not to sell alcohol below cost price. Over Christmas you could get 60 bottles of lager for £20. It's cheaper than water, so it's not surprising it appeals to teenagers.
Somehow we have to get the message across to young people that it's not a clever or smart thing to lose control of what you're doing.
DR CLARE GERADA
Vice-chair of the Royal College of General Practitioners
Lead by example. There's no point telling your teenager not to binge-drink if you're having a bottle of wine every night.
Alcohol should also be less available and alcopops should be banned. Any alcohol which is directly marketed at children is unacceptable.
I see lots of 16-and 17-year-olds who are drinking very, very heavily. If parents think that their teenager is drinking too much then they should contact their GP.
JAN BERRY
Chair of the Police Federation
It is up to all of us to deal with the problem of teenage drinking. There is no simple solution.
Police used to hope for rain on a Friday or Saturday to keep people indoors, but now there's drinking every night of the week. Now kids are drinking to excess before they even leave their house
Parents need to set a good example as if they're drunk the kids will think they can be too.
Christine Sharples whose husband Ron was killed by a gang of teenagers
There should be more police on the streets. In Marske-by-the-Sea near Middlesbrough, you never see police. My husband would still be alive if there were police on our streets. The yobs who killed Ron thought they could get away with anything.
It's outrageous these children can buy alcohol. The age should be raised to 25 and there should be tougher penalties for people who sell alcohol to kids. That way the streets would be safer.
Tuesday, 5 February 2008
i wonder what prompted it????
heres the copy of the order in legal notice.
did i mention that the area affected was next to the town hall.
On 13th November 2007 the Board of Powys County Council agreed to a proposal to consult on the making of a Designated Public Places Order (DPPO) under section 13 of the Criminal Justice & Police Act 2001. The Order was initially proposed by Llandrindod Wells Town Council and supported by Dyfed Powys Police.
The Order, if approved, will become effective on 1st May 2008 and will create a zone in which the police have powers to confiscate alcohol from people drinking in a public area where:
(a) nuisance or annoyance to members of the public; or a section of the public; or
(b) disorder
has been associated with the consumption of intoxicating liquor in that place.
This first DPPO would be for Temple Gardens and Memorial Gardens in Llandrindod Wells. The proposal will be discussed at Full Council in April 2008 where the decision will be taken whether to approve it or not..
If approved, this Order will not make it an offence to drink alcohol in a public place for law abiding citizens. However failure to comply with a police officer's requirements in respect of public drinking and surrender of alcohol, without reasonable excuse, would be an arrestable offence or punishable by a fixed penalty notice. There are no specific human rights implications as DPPO's have not been deemed to infringe human rights when "serving the public interest" by reducing alcohol related disorder. Any person who may have a dependency upon alcohol will be able to continue consuming alcohol in their own homes or those of family and friends, licensed premises or treatment/support centres that allow alcohol consumption on their premises.
The restriction on public drinking will not apply to any premises holding a premises licence or covered by a Temporary Event Notice under the Licensing Act 2003 authorising the sale of alcohol, for example public houses, clubs, cafes or restaurants and the curtilage of their premises.
Copies of the draft Order and accompanying plan may be downloaded below, or inspected from 1st February 2008 at the offices of Powys County Council at County Hall, Spa Road East, Llandrindod Wells and the Gwalia, Ithon Road, Llandrindod Wells and also at Llandrindod Wells Police Station during normal office hours.
The Council is required to consult with the Town Council, the public and the licensee of any licensed premises or temporary event notice holders who may be affected by the designation as well as the owners of the land which is the subject of the designation. You are hereby invited to comment on the proposal having considered the following questions;
Do you agree with the proposal?
What do you see as the benefits or drawbacks of this proposal?
What experience, and or evidence do you have of crime and disorder caused by alcohol consumption in Temple Gardens and Memorial Gardens, Llandrindod Wells?
If you object to this proposal, do you have any suggestions as to how to resolve the problem of behaviour caused by intoxicated individuals without addition funding or reducing policing allocated to other parts of town.
there are specific boundries as to where you can drink, so if you cross the road from the designated area then you are not violating the order!!!!What a nonsense.
this ban also does not include 'the lads' who drink from jugs outside of 'frankies bar' in the summer months.thats because they are spending lots of money i suppose.
What i forgot to mention is that the designated drinking ban area is part of the gardens that house the Town Hall!!!
Funny that, and even funnier it is up for sale by powys at the moment.
who are not interested in keeping it for llandod but will sell it to a private investor and will then have to find more tax payers money to build a new meeting place for the town council.
did i mention that the area affected was next to the town hall.
On 13th November 2007 the Board of Powys County Council agreed to a proposal to consult on the making of a Designated Public Places Order (DPPO) under section 13 of the Criminal Justice & Police Act 2001. The Order was initially proposed by Llandrindod Wells Town Council and supported by Dyfed Powys Police.
The Order, if approved, will become effective on 1st May 2008 and will create a zone in which the police have powers to confiscate alcohol from people drinking in a public area where:
(a) nuisance or annoyance to members of the public; or a section of the public; or
(b) disorder
has been associated with the consumption of intoxicating liquor in that place.
This first DPPO would be for Temple Gardens and Memorial Gardens in Llandrindod Wells. The proposal will be discussed at Full Council in April 2008 where the decision will be taken whether to approve it or not..
If approved, this Order will not make it an offence to drink alcohol in a public place for law abiding citizens. However failure to comply with a police officer's requirements in respect of public drinking and surrender of alcohol, without reasonable excuse, would be an arrestable offence or punishable by a fixed penalty notice. There are no specific human rights implications as DPPO's have not been deemed to infringe human rights when "serving the public interest" by reducing alcohol related disorder. Any person who may have a dependency upon alcohol will be able to continue consuming alcohol in their own homes or those of family and friends, licensed premises or treatment/support centres that allow alcohol consumption on their premises.
The restriction on public drinking will not apply to any premises holding a premises licence or covered by a Temporary Event Notice under the Licensing Act 2003 authorising the sale of alcohol, for example public houses, clubs, cafes or restaurants and the curtilage of their premises.
Copies of the draft Order and accompanying plan may be downloaded below, or inspected from 1st February 2008 at the offices of Powys County Council at County Hall, Spa Road East, Llandrindod Wells and the Gwalia, Ithon Road, Llandrindod Wells and also at Llandrindod Wells Police Station during normal office hours.
The Council is required to consult with the Town Council, the public and the licensee of any licensed premises or temporary event notice holders who may be affected by the designation as well as the owners of the land which is the subject of the designation. You are hereby invited to comment on the proposal having considered the following questions;
Do you agree with the proposal?
What do you see as the benefits or drawbacks of this proposal?
What experience, and or evidence do you have of crime and disorder caused by alcohol consumption in Temple Gardens and Memorial Gardens, Llandrindod Wells?
If you object to this proposal, do you have any suggestions as to how to resolve the problem of behaviour caused by intoxicated individuals without addition funding or reducing policing allocated to other parts of town.
there are specific boundries as to where you can drink, so if you cross the road from the designated area then you are not violating the order!!!!What a nonsense.
this ban also does not include 'the lads' who drink from jugs outside of 'frankies bar' in the summer months.thats because they are spending lots of money i suppose.
What i forgot to mention is that the designated drinking ban area is part of the gardens that house the Town Hall!!!
Funny that, and even funnier it is up for sale by powys at the moment.
who are not interested in keeping it for llandod but will sell it to a private investor and will then have to find more tax payers money to build a new meeting place for the town council.
consultation period has started
The consultation period of the proposed designated drinking ban has started.
it will take place over 21 days.
it is likely that it will sucseedin going through unless there is a huge opposition towards it.
When llandrindod local councillors mailshot llandrindod residents only 245 people replied in favour that is less than a tenth of llandods population.
This banning order will not work in stopping anti social behaviour or curing alcohlism.
some people who drink in the pubs on a weekend will still create trouble when they've had too much to drink, look at the local press the court cases are full of drink related episodes.
and it will not cure the alcoholism of the small bunch of dependent drinkers[currently three in number, but only when the weather is fair].
Those who drink in the park can be a nuisance when pissed but need to be encouraged into specialist care!!! NOT Persecuted!!!
this is a small enough community to put this right.
There are also issues of freedom to choose here and if this order goes through it is a victory for the largely right wing hang them and flog them brigade.
here is the link to powys to oppose the ban.
http://www.powys.gov.uk/index.php?id=4691
it will take place over 21 days.
it is likely that it will sucseedin going through unless there is a huge opposition towards it.
When llandrindod local councillors mailshot llandrindod residents only 245 people replied in favour that is less than a tenth of llandods population.
This banning order will not work in stopping anti social behaviour or curing alcohlism.
some people who drink in the pubs on a weekend will still create trouble when they've had too much to drink, look at the local press the court cases are full of drink related episodes.
and it will not cure the alcoholism of the small bunch of dependent drinkers[currently three in number, but only when the weather is fair].
Those who drink in the park can be a nuisance when pissed but need to be encouraged into specialist care!!! NOT Persecuted!!!
this is a small enough community to put this right.
There are also issues of freedom to choose here and if this order goes through it is a victory for the largely right wing hang them and flog them brigade.
here is the link to powys to oppose the ban.
http://www.powys.gov.uk/index.php?id=4691
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