heres the copy of the order in legal notice.
did i mention that the area affected was next to the town hall.
On 13th November 2007 the Board of Powys County Council agreed to a proposal to consult on the making of a Designated Public Places Order (DPPO) under section 13 of the Criminal Justice & Police Act 2001. The Order was initially proposed by Llandrindod Wells Town Council and supported by Dyfed Powys Police.
The Order, if approved, will become effective on 1st May 2008 and will create a zone in which the police have powers to confiscate alcohol from people drinking in a public area where:
(a) nuisance or annoyance to members of the public; or a section of the public; or
(b) disorder
has been associated with the consumption of intoxicating liquor in that place.
This first DPPO would be for Temple Gardens and Memorial Gardens in Llandrindod Wells. The proposal will be discussed at Full Council in April 2008 where the decision will be taken whether to approve it or not..
If approved, this Order will not make it an offence to drink alcohol in a public place for law abiding citizens. However failure to comply with a police officer's requirements in respect of public drinking and surrender of alcohol, without reasonable excuse, would be an arrestable offence or punishable by a fixed penalty notice. There are no specific human rights implications as DPPO's have not been deemed to infringe human rights when "serving the public interest" by reducing alcohol related disorder. Any person who may have a dependency upon alcohol will be able to continue consuming alcohol in their own homes or those of family and friends, licensed premises or treatment/support centres that allow alcohol consumption on their premises.
The restriction on public drinking will not apply to any premises holding a premises licence or covered by a Temporary Event Notice under the Licensing Act 2003 authorising the sale of alcohol, for example public houses, clubs, cafes or restaurants and the curtilage of their premises.
Copies of the draft Order and accompanying plan may be downloaded below, or inspected from 1st February 2008 at the offices of Powys County Council at County Hall, Spa Road East, Llandrindod Wells and the Gwalia, Ithon Road, Llandrindod Wells and also at Llandrindod Wells Police Station during normal office hours.
The Council is required to consult with the Town Council, the public and the licensee of any licensed premises or temporary event notice holders who may be affected by the designation as well as the owners of the land which is the subject of the designation. You are hereby invited to comment on the proposal having considered the following questions;
Do you agree with the proposal?
What do you see as the benefits or drawbacks of this proposal?
What experience, and or evidence do you have of crime and disorder caused by alcohol consumption in Temple Gardens and Memorial Gardens, Llandrindod Wells?
If you object to this proposal, do you have any suggestions as to how to resolve the problem of behaviour caused by intoxicated individuals without addition funding or reducing policing allocated to other parts of town.
there are specific boundries as to where you can drink, so if you cross the road from the designated area then you are not violating the order!!!!What a nonsense.
this ban also does not include 'the lads' who drink from jugs outside of 'frankies bar' in the summer months.thats because they are spending lots of money i suppose.
What i forgot to mention is that the designated drinking ban area is part of the gardens that house the Town Hall!!!
Funny that, and even funnier it is up for sale by powys at the moment.
who are not interested in keeping it for llandod but will sell it to a private investor and will then have to find more tax payers money to build a new meeting place for the town council.
Tuesday, 5 February 2008
consultation period has started
The consultation period of the proposed designated drinking ban has started.
it will take place over 21 days.
it is likely that it will sucseedin going through unless there is a huge opposition towards it.
When llandrindod local councillors mailshot llandrindod residents only 245 people replied in favour that is less than a tenth of llandods population.
This banning order will not work in stopping anti social behaviour or curing alcohlism.
some people who drink in the pubs on a weekend will still create trouble when they've had too much to drink, look at the local press the court cases are full of drink related episodes.
and it will not cure the alcoholism of the small bunch of dependent drinkers[currently three in number, but only when the weather is fair].
Those who drink in the park can be a nuisance when pissed but need to be encouraged into specialist care!!! NOT Persecuted!!!
this is a small enough community to put this right.
There are also issues of freedom to choose here and if this order goes through it is a victory for the largely right wing hang them and flog them brigade.
here is the link to powys to oppose the ban.
http://www.powys.gov.uk/index.php?id=4691
it will take place over 21 days.
it is likely that it will sucseedin going through unless there is a huge opposition towards it.
When llandrindod local councillors mailshot llandrindod residents only 245 people replied in favour that is less than a tenth of llandods population.
This banning order will not work in stopping anti social behaviour or curing alcohlism.
some people who drink in the pubs on a weekend will still create trouble when they've had too much to drink, look at the local press the court cases are full of drink related episodes.
and it will not cure the alcoholism of the small bunch of dependent drinkers[currently three in number, but only when the weather is fair].
Those who drink in the park can be a nuisance when pissed but need to be encouraged into specialist care!!! NOT Persecuted!!!
this is a small enough community to put this right.
There are also issues of freedom to choose here and if this order goes through it is a victory for the largely right wing hang them and flog them brigade.
here is the link to powys to oppose the ban.
http://www.powys.gov.uk/index.php?id=4691
Wednesday, 16 January 2008
pathetic 'environmet' policy
The Directors, managers and staff of the Metropole Hotel recognise and accept that the activities involved in running the business necessarily impinge upon the environment. In an effort to minimise these effects, the Hotel is committed to a policy of sound and responsible environmental management, leading to a sustainable use of resources and optimal management of waste.
Therefore, the Hotel undertakes that it will:
ensure that all employees at all levels are aware of the potential environmental effects of their activities and the benefits of improved environmental performance, and will provide specific environmental training to this effect.
communicate this environmental policy and promote environmental awareness amongst all employees;
ensure that all employees are instructed on the potential environmental effects of their activities and the benefits of improved environmental performance;
display this policy statement in a prominent position within the Hotel;
make this policy statement available to all interested parties on request;
comply with all applicable environmental legislation as a minimum standard;
promote the principle of 'sustainable development' whereby the present needs of the Hotel will not compromise the abilities of future generations to meet their own needs;
adopt a policy of 'green procurement', taking environmental factors into account in all purchasing and supplier contracts;
provide organic produce where available and never knowingly use genetically modified ingredients or products;
take all measures that are reasonably practicable to:
reduce waste at source;
re-use waste components where it is safe and practicable to do so;
recover/recycle those fractions of the waste stream where an outlet is available; and
dispose of final wastes by the most environmentally suitable means;
adopt the practice of responsible energy management through reduced consumption and the encouragement of energy efficiency throughout the business;
encourage the use of public transport and the provide facilities for the disabled, pedestrians and cyclists; and
aim for continuous improvement.
This policy statement will be reviewed annually to ensure that it remains applicable to the activities of the Hotel and any agreements made between the Hotel and its stakeholders.
Signed: Justin Baird-Murray
Position: Managing Director
Date: 21st May 2007
Heres a copy of the metropoles environmental policy,what a load of bullshit.
The directors of the metropole 'recognise and accept' that running a business impinges on the environment!!!!!
WELL THATS ALLRIGHT THEN!!!!!
'sustainable use of resources'.
this obviously doesnt extend to the chaos his delegates cars create outside the county library and arlais day centre or on the local community.
'all employers are aware of potential enviroment affects'
emmm,Justin,you and your staff are still parking on the road!!!!.
'Encourage the use of public transport'
So the metropole dictates that their guests,delegates and staff use public transport !!!!NO WAY.
This policy is going to be reviewed!!!Hooray,well that will help.not. as nothing will be done,as long as the money keeps coming in is all they care about and no consideration is given to the local environs.
The Metropole put money before local environmental needs!!!!
and the only way to help is to stay away from the Metropole.
Therefore, the Hotel undertakes that it will:
ensure that all employees at all levels are aware of the potential environmental effects of their activities and the benefits of improved environmental performance, and will provide specific environmental training to this effect.
communicate this environmental policy and promote environmental awareness amongst all employees;
ensure that all employees are instructed on the potential environmental effects of their activities and the benefits of improved environmental performance;
display this policy statement in a prominent position within the Hotel;
make this policy statement available to all interested parties on request;
comply with all applicable environmental legislation as a minimum standard;
promote the principle of 'sustainable development' whereby the present needs of the Hotel will not compromise the abilities of future generations to meet their own needs;
adopt a policy of 'green procurement', taking environmental factors into account in all purchasing and supplier contracts;
provide organic produce where available and never knowingly use genetically modified ingredients or products;
take all measures that are reasonably practicable to:
reduce waste at source;
re-use waste components where it is safe and practicable to do so;
recover/recycle those fractions of the waste stream where an outlet is available; and
dispose of final wastes by the most environmentally suitable means;
adopt the practice of responsible energy management through reduced consumption and the encouragement of energy efficiency throughout the business;
encourage the use of public transport and the provide facilities for the disabled, pedestrians and cyclists; and
aim for continuous improvement.
This policy statement will be reviewed annually to ensure that it remains applicable to the activities of the Hotel and any agreements made between the Hotel and its stakeholders.
Signed: Justin Baird-Murray
Position: Managing Director
Date: 21st May 2007
Heres a copy of the metropoles environmental policy,what a load of bullshit.
The directors of the metropole 'recognise and accept' that running a business impinges on the environment!!!!!
WELL THATS ALLRIGHT THEN!!!!!
'sustainable use of resources'.
this obviously doesnt extend to the chaos his delegates cars create outside the county library and arlais day centre or on the local community.
'all employers are aware of potential enviroment affects'
emmm,Justin,you and your staff are still parking on the road!!!!.
'Encourage the use of public transport'
So the metropole dictates that their guests,delegates and staff use public transport !!!!NO WAY.
This policy is going to be reviewed!!!Hooray,well that will help.not. as nothing will be done,as long as the money keeps coming in is all they care about and no consideration is given to the local environs.
The Metropole put money before local environmental needs!!!!
and the only way to help is to stay away from the Metropole.
Monday, 14 January 2008
Wanted : for crimes of fashion
here is the manager of The metropole who continues to take up valuable parking space outside the Arlais day centre and the County library despite there being sufficent room to park on the metroploles car park {occasionly, when there isnt a conference on}.
I would like readers to know that the jumper Mr Hughes is wearing is not the one he recieved for christmas but one of a type he always wears to relax in.ghastly is'nt it.
you can tell mr hughes to stick his parking up his jumper by telephoning him on 01597823700
Friday, 7 December 2007
not all of them are without hope!
Don't just move the problem elsewhere
In response to the letter from Mr Harold Nicholls (town votes to end anarchic behaviour) in your issue of November 30, I would like to make three points:
Firstly, It would appear that we, the residents of Llandrindod, are very quick to condemn the anti-social behaviour of the people who are causing the problems in Temple and Memorial Gardens, but we are not quite as quick to recognise that they are vulnerable people with complex problems who need our compassion, help and support.
Secondly, I am not clear how giving the police extra powers to harass and, at the extreme, criminalise these people, which is what the Designated Public Places Order will do, actually addresses the cause of the problem rather than its consequences.
I firmly believe that this will make it much more difficult for the support agencies to engage with the drinkers in order to allow them to access help to address their needs.
Finally, Harold Nicholls is wrong to allege that I am in favour of the anti-social behaviour continuing.
I want the anti-social behaviour to cease completely rather than simply move it to other parts of the town.
In my view, the imposition of a DPPO will not stop people congregating in Temple Gardens, rather it is likely to exacerbate the very problem that we all want to see solved.
Cllr David Peter
County Councillor for
Llandrindod South
This is the letter appearing in this weeks county times.
Cllr Peters is the only town council member to consistently and publicy oppose the drinking ban by offering his opinion that there are social problems that create this situation and to move the 'drinkers' from one place to another will not stop anti social behaviour or cure alcoholism.
well done Cllr Peters.
In response to the letter from Mr Harold Nicholls (town votes to end anarchic behaviour) in your issue of November 30, I would like to make three points:
Firstly, It would appear that we, the residents of Llandrindod, are very quick to condemn the anti-social behaviour of the people who are causing the problems in Temple and Memorial Gardens, but we are not quite as quick to recognise that they are vulnerable people with complex problems who need our compassion, help and support.
Secondly, I am not clear how giving the police extra powers to harass and, at the extreme, criminalise these people, which is what the Designated Public Places Order will do, actually addresses the cause of the problem rather than its consequences.
I firmly believe that this will make it much more difficult for the support agencies to engage with the drinkers in order to allow them to access help to address their needs.
Finally, Harold Nicholls is wrong to allege that I am in favour of the anti-social behaviour continuing.
I want the anti-social behaviour to cease completely rather than simply move it to other parts of the town.
In my view, the imposition of a DPPO will not stop people congregating in Temple Gardens, rather it is likely to exacerbate the very problem that we all want to see solved.
Cllr David Peter
County Councillor for
Llandrindod South
This is the letter appearing in this weeks county times.
Cllr Peters is the only town council member to consistently and publicy oppose the drinking ban by offering his opinion that there are social problems that create this situation and to move the 'drinkers' from one place to another will not stop anti social behaviour or cure alcoholism.
well done Cllr Peters.
Thursday, 15 November 2007
underwhelmed at overwhelmed
Huge support for drink ban
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THERE is overwhelming support in Llandrindod Wells for a drinking ban to be introduced in public areas of the town.
Mayor Derek Law says he does not want to prevent young people from sitting in park areas such as Temple and the Memorial Gardens enjoying the sunshine with their friends, but he does want to rid the town of the often “dubious behaviour” reported of people consuming alcohol in public.
More than 300 people are believed to have contacted Powys County Council (PCC) in support of such a ban.
After such a huge responsefrom the public it is hoped a designated public places order can be brought in by spring 2008.
A draft report recommending that such an order be created is scheduled to go before the PCC Board shortly for a final decision.
Cllr Law said: “A lot of young people in the town have no jobs, so with no cash and no motivation the situation is exasperated.”
Cllr Keith Tampin said: “I know we have got to help these people that drink on the streets but the organisations and facilities are here in the town to help them, such as Powys Drugs and Alcohol Centre and Alcoholics Anonymous, but a lot of them don’t seem to want help.”
Cllr Jean Christopher said her concern was where would the drinkers go if such a ban was imposed.
“If we move them from the village green and the town hall area, where are they going to go?
“Are they going to be a problem some where else in the town?”
This is the report of the town councils joy at their response to the mailshot.why are they overjoyed at less then 10% of the town supporting their proposed ban!
the actual numbers that replied was 245,with 241 in support of a ban,4 opposed on concerns about a lack of freedom to choose.
you will notice the quote from cllr Tampin which states he knows these people need help but they dont want to seem to do that,well Keith my old cockney sparrow,people who are in a grip of addiction the hardest part is to admit to a problem, its hard to get off the destructive spiral.
I know two members of the crew who have really worked hard this year to sort themselves out,yes they have fallen off the wagon a couple of times due to bad influences mainly so called friends but their overall improvement is a joy to behold.In fact the lady involved is blossoming.
they had the strength of character to do it themselves others dont find it as easy.
As cllr christopher says 'where are they going to go'
imposing a ban on certain areas will not cure alcoholism and it will not adress anti social behaviour in the town.
what about the yobs who drink in the pubs at the weekend and on exiting often cause mayhem,why dont they get picked on by the town council.
oh yes they are spending a couple of quid on a pint so that is different of course.
I wonder if the Metropole beer garden has a license to drink in, perhaps after the ban is in place the last members of the brew crew could perhaps congregate there instead.Or perhaps maybe at the 'crown jewel' of Llandrindod, the lake.
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THERE is overwhelming support in Llandrindod Wells for a drinking ban to be introduced in public areas of the town.
Mayor Derek Law says he does not want to prevent young people from sitting in park areas such as Temple and the Memorial Gardens enjoying the sunshine with their friends, but he does want to rid the town of the often “dubious behaviour” reported of people consuming alcohol in public.
More than 300 people are believed to have contacted Powys County Council (PCC) in support of such a ban.
After such a huge responsefrom the public it is hoped a designated public places order can be brought in by spring 2008.
A draft report recommending that such an order be created is scheduled to go before the PCC Board shortly for a final decision.
Cllr Law said: “A lot of young people in the town have no jobs, so with no cash and no motivation the situation is exasperated.”
Cllr Keith Tampin said: “I know we have got to help these people that drink on the streets but the organisations and facilities are here in the town to help them, such as Powys Drugs and Alcohol Centre and Alcoholics Anonymous, but a lot of them don’t seem to want help.”
Cllr Jean Christopher said her concern was where would the drinkers go if such a ban was imposed.
“If we move them from the village green and the town hall area, where are they going to go?
“Are they going to be a problem some where else in the town?”
This is the report of the town councils joy at their response to the mailshot.why are they overjoyed at less then 10% of the town supporting their proposed ban!
the actual numbers that replied was 245,with 241 in support of a ban,4 opposed on concerns about a lack of freedom to choose.
you will notice the quote from cllr Tampin which states he knows these people need help but they dont want to seem to do that,well Keith my old cockney sparrow,people who are in a grip of addiction the hardest part is to admit to a problem, its hard to get off the destructive spiral.
I know two members of the crew who have really worked hard this year to sort themselves out,yes they have fallen off the wagon a couple of times due to bad influences mainly so called friends but their overall improvement is a joy to behold.In fact the lady involved is blossoming.
they had the strength of character to do it themselves others dont find it as easy.
As cllr christopher says 'where are they going to go'
imposing a ban on certain areas will not cure alcoholism and it will not adress anti social behaviour in the town.
what about the yobs who drink in the pubs at the weekend and on exiting often cause mayhem,why dont they get picked on by the town council.
oh yes they are spending a couple of quid on a pint so that is different of course.
I wonder if the Metropole beer garden has a license to drink in, perhaps after the ban is in place the last members of the brew crew could perhaps congregate there instead.Or perhaps maybe at the 'crown jewel' of Llandrindod, the lake.
Sunday, 9 September 2007
persecution continues
the town council held a private meeting recently to try and establish a by law to ban drinking in certain areas of the town.
they consulted with various agencies including the police and powys drink and drug agency.
there is some oppositon to a by law from powys county council,which is areal suprise,they probably know it will cost money to impose.
the residentsof llandrindod have been mail shot to add their support to anti social behaviour by contacting an email address or writing to an address,however it seems the only anti social behaviour they want to get rid of is the hardcore alcoholics in the parks but not the anti social behaviour of the people running riot on weekend night.
this is persecution of people who have an illness.
heres the address below where they have asked residents to support.
email them please but let them know it is all anti social behaviour that needs adressing and not the persecution of people with an illness.
public.protection@powys.gov.uk
they consulted with various agencies including the police and powys drink and drug agency.
there is some oppositon to a by law from powys county council,which is areal suprise,they probably know it will cost money to impose.
the residentsof llandrindod have been mail shot to add their support to anti social behaviour by contacting an email address or writing to an address,however it seems the only anti social behaviour they want to get rid of is the hardcore alcoholics in the parks but not the anti social behaviour of the people running riot on weekend night.
this is persecution of people who have an illness.
heres the address below where they have asked residents to support.
email them please but let them know it is all anti social behaviour that needs adressing and not the persecution of people with an illness.
public.protection@powys.gov.uk
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